General @ Wednesday August 17, 2005 11:16 am by WunderKraut
I listened to an NPR story on the way home yesterday about China purchasing an old Russian aircraft carrier. The main thrust of the story was trying to determine why the ChiComs bought a carrier and if it could be retrofitted and made operational again. Michele Norris from Jane’s Defense Weekly answered questions about the carrier and he said that he thought they wanted one to learn how to build one themselves. After all, starting from scratch would take many years, while studying one that is already built could give them shortcuts and insights. He also said it could take up to 10 years to make the carrier operational, but he did add that if enough money was tossed at it, that the timetable would be sped up considerably.
Then today I read a story in The Washington Times about the joint Russian-Chinese war games that are set to begin tomorrow.
We know that China desperately wants to destroy Taiwan and that the Russians are desperate to sell military equipment to anybody. So I want to be the first to call Bull S**t on the stated reasons behind these war games. I will demonstrate with some quotes:
“For the Chinese and the Russians, this is a message to the United States,” one U.S. official said. “They want to see our bases in Central Asia and presence in Asia cut back.”
The eight days of exercises have been dubbed Peace Mission 2005 and will involve about 10,000 Russian and Chinese troops who will fight “terrorists” in a simulated regional conflict.
Because China defines terrorism as including “separatists,” U.S. intelligence officials think the exercises are directed at Taiwan, which Beijing views as a breakaway province, and the United States, which has vowed to protect Taiwan from mainland attack.
Defense officials said the forces participating in the war games are designed to practice amphibious landings and anti-submarine warfare — not traditional counterterrorism operations.
Russian military chief of staff Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky said in Moscow last week that the idea of the war games “is that Russia and China are helping a third country tackling issues connected with proliferation of illegal militarized formations that are beginning anti-state activities.”
“Naval forces can and must be used to blockade — in particular from the sea — part of the territory of this state, just as aircraft can also be used to blockade from the air,” he told the Izvestiya newspaper.
I think it is painfully obvious that they are practicing the invasion of Taiwan. I know that Russia wants to sell weapons, but why would they facilitate China’s takeover of Taiwan? What is the benefit of such a move? If China did invade Taiwan and Russia was found to have helped, eased, facilitated, aided…how ever you want to phrase it… they would risk attack by the U.S.
Ah, but maybe that is why they have aligned themselves with China. Look, if China does attack Taiwan the chances of the U.S. abiding by its treaty to defend Taiwan are not so hot. I think we need to defend them and make that clear, but will the U.S. be willing to lose a city or two to nukes launched from China? I doubt it. So if they invade and Russia helps them, and the U.S. does little more than bitch and moan, then Russia has proven itself to China and the two of them have weakened the U.S. That is good for China and Russia and it would cement a partnership where Russia has outlets to sell its military hardware and it would give China a secure northern border.
However, if the U.S. makes clear that we will defend Taiwan, no matter the costs and we follow through with it, then Russia will be weakened and may be forced to back off. That would be bad for China and Russia. Russia loses a buyer and China no longer has a guaranteed secure northern border.
Either way you look at it, it is a very interesting geopolitical change.
The U.S. needs to begin seeing China for what it is: a potential and growing military threat. Do not be lulled into thinking that economic liberalization will lead to a weakening of the military and the hardliners. After all Mao’s favorite saying was, “Talk, talk. Fight, fight.” They will never lose sight of the ultimate goal. They will say and do what ever it takes to accomplish that goal. Just look at their history.
So you do not think China will risk a nuclear exchange with the U.S. over Taiwan? Check out this Mao quote from 1946:
The atom bomb is a paper tiger which the U.S. reactionaries use to scare people. It looks terrible, but in fact it isn’t. Of course, the atom bomb is a weapon of mass slaughter, but the outcome of a war is decided by the people, not by one or two new types of weapon.
5 Responses to “I Call BS First!”

Here from the traffic jam. Excellent post! I think you may overstate the danger of a Chinese nuke attack. Our retaliation would destroy their burgeoning economy…
I am as optimistic about Taiwan as I am about nuke employment. I agree that things are looking pretty grim. Think they might try to take some Japanese islands as well? An awful lot of belligerent rhetoric coming from China lately.
I’ll be adding your fine site to my blogroll.
I am glad you liked the post. I wish I were as optimistic as you are about the Chinese using nukes.
If we actually stood up to them if they attacked Taiwan and backed them into a corner, they may feel threatened enough to use them. They seem to be underestimating the U.S. But it could be that they are just a bit unstable.
You mention that they would not launch because of the U.S. retaliation. I am not so sure that the U.S. has the will to turn a country into a wasteland. I have written about that fear here and here.
Also, what about the state of our nuclear arsenal…I wonder when the last time we built a nuke or an ICBM? I sure hope they are more reliable than the shuttle. But lets say we do retaliate, we would have to launch a butt load of missiles….what would that leave us in reserve? You just cant build nukes overnight…
Anyway, I hope and pray I am wrong.
I also believe that any weapon (and especially ones reliant on explosive charges) will degrade over time. You can’t just grab up sixty-year-old munitions and start blazing away. So part of this question is readiness – even if we were willing to rain down the nukes, would they detonate, or would we be throwing $50 million lawn darts at Beijing?
It is comforting to see another writer out there paying attention to China in the way you are here. I wrote about this “War Games” issue a few weeks ago. It is called “Peace-Mission 2005″. Keep up the good work.
I have linked to your blog.
[...] I wrote recently about the joint military exercises between the Russian and Chinese military. Today Ariel Cohen has a good op-ed summing up the new strategic partnership between the two countries. Moscow and Beijing view U.S. predominance in the post-Cold War world as a threat to their power. A steadily improving Sino-Russian close partnership may lead to severely limiting, if not denying, U.S. strategic presence in the Eurasian land mass from the Pacific Ocean to the Baltic Sea. — The exercises are a showcase for complex Russian weapons systems, which Moscow is anxious to sell to the People’s Liberation Army. — The growing geostrategic cooperation of Russia and China against the U.S. also has an important geo-economic dimensions. Both China and Russia have a close relationship with the nuclear-arming Iran. China has signed 25-year, $50 billion deals to develop and import liquid natural gas from the giant South Pars field in Iran. And the Russian military-industrial and nuclear complex benefits from large-scale contracts with Iran, including construction of the Bushehr nuclear reactor. [...]